this technology's doing what he does." >> yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. and we had that same conversation at the start of the extreme ice survey. and the answer is that eyes in a satellite, camera eyes in a satellite that are 400 miles above the earth's surface tell one kind of a story. and camera eyes that are in the hands of a human being down on the ground surface tell a different kind of a story. and humans can relate better to a story told from the human level than they can to a story told from the satellite level. because that's where we live. we don't live 400 miles in the air. we live down here with our feet on the ground. >> could you be describing a death spiral? >> well, it's about mortality for sure, it's the mortality of of those landscapes and there is some sort of spiral of change going on in the arctic. and time will tell if it's truly a death spiral or not. but it certainly is a period of enormous change. but you know, i want to be clear that yes, i love the ice. yes, i love the beauty of the ice. is this a book about endangered species o